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Hmm, I've been thinking about this since I read it yesterday, and I understand where you're headed. As a Catholic-curious Protestant, it seems like you may have oversimplified this drive towards certainty. I can only speak for myself, but I think that the idea of a magisterium and pope is as off putting as it is appealing. However, what I see in many converts is not as much a desire for certainty, as a willingness to submit to something larger than them. Having been through several disastrous church contexts at this point, I have no illusions that there is any perfect church. Abuse and people exist in all corners of the church, in all denominations. What I continue to grapple with, is wondering where I might find enough depth so that when the people of the church fail, as they so often will, there is something outside of them to hold fast to. I'm not sure I'm articulating this well -- we're currently members of a confessional Lutheran church, and so one could argue that we have all the aspects of Catholicism that cause people to convert. And yet, I find myself frustrated. And I am truly trying to discern what is causing that frustration. But, if speaking only for myself, I think that to try to reduce it to a need for certainty is to miss much of the point. I actually find that I am much more constricted by the certainty that I have been presented with in many Protestant denominations, that at times has felt like a legalistic chokehold.

It's interesting, because in conversations with family members who left the Catholic church as a child, their account of the legalistic chokehold is almost identical to my upbringing in a Reformed Baptist context. So then, are we grappling with a poor theology of grace in whichever context? And could this swing back and forth be reactionary? Quite possibly. But I don't think it's always reactionary.

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Okay, I’ve finally read this! And I genuinely don’t have a lot of time right now (we’ve got our small town’s annual weekend festival starting in a few hours, plus a bajillion other things on the calendar this weekend!), but I didn’t want this to pass along without at least my $.02. In short…

Thanks for being so gracious and charitable with your thoughts here, and thanks for recognizing my ongoing series as what it is: a story, and not an apologetic treatise. Definitely the memoir genre vs. academic theology!

Second, let me just say that I’ve had your *exact* thoughts relayed here in your essay for the better part of a decade (roughly from when we return from the mission field in Turkey to our move from evangelicalism to Anglicanism). I get your perspective on a personal level, very much.

Because my recent essay is part of an ongoing story told in serial format, I’m definitely not done — which means the stuff mentioned in Part 4 (my latest) isn’t the end of it. The idea of a Catechism wasn’t the main reason I converted. But, all of it really did come down to the idea of authority — meaning, the answer to the question, “Says who?” about every single part of the Christian life (including what goes in the Bible and how to read it as intended), which is what I mean rather tongue-in-cheek by the phrase “I’m not my own pope.” It’s more than just wanting to be told what to do. It really does come down to a conviction about whether Jesus really *did* institute one united Church when he gave Peter the keys, and whether he really did mean for it to be One, Holy, Catholic (meaning united), and Apostolic. I truly, truly believe he did, and this is where my research led me. It wasn’t about whether I *wanted* it to be true. I just came to the conclusion that it… is. I had to follow through with that conviction. And I think, in tandem, that any Protestant who is genuinely convicted that that is not what Jesus meant nor how Jesus set things up should be able to defend their reasons why.

I’m genuinely SO GLAD the Holy Spirit isn’t confined to our earthly human frailties, and that He brings people to Himself in all sorts of ways, both inside and outside the Church. I truly do believe God is at work in all sorts of Protestant movements and that He’s used our own finite, flawed endeavors for His good (Gen. 50:20). I’m very grateful for my decades as a Protestant, and I believe the Church can learn so much from many good Protestant traditions!

With all that in mind, though, I truly don’t believe that, with Jesus’ twin admonishments to his disciplines to 1. Teach truth and 2. Be unified, that he meant for us to follow our own convictions and Scriptural interpretations, wherever they may lead. Otherwise, we’d have to pick one of those two commands and violate the other. Furthermore, if functional man-made institutions are hierarchical — i.e., CEOs of businesses, principals of schools, etc., and if functional God-made institutions are hierarchical — i.e., families, …Wouldn’t it make sense that God would also have his Church, for whom He desires unity above all else in tandem with teaching truth, also best function with a hierarchy? It’s historically never gone well when people follow their own convictions and hope it all goes well and that we all get along, especially when my neighbor’s conviction might be the opposite of mine.

Anyway… These are my thoughts, admittedly somewhat convoluted (I need my next cup of coffee). I hope to unpack them more in the next installment of my story, which I’ll hopefully publish sooner than later (we’ll see… this month is insanely full). Thanks for sharing your perspective, and I’m grateful for our shared sisterhood in Christ!

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