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Laura M. Fabrycky's avatar

This is great - thanks for drawing these connections bt Lindbeck and Keller, and how the consequence of "disembodiment" in CP-esque approaches fuels the increasing "dis-embodied" corporate Body. Fascinating. Looking forward to the CP/EE discussion in a future post.

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Micah Jelinek's avatar

Really enjoyed the essay and your engagement with Keller, Dr. Sanders. I think your connection between how people enter the faith and the sort of church culture they enter is significant. If I understand you correctly, your concern is that apologetic approaches that emphasize “getting your doctrinal ducks in a row” as part of conversion will ultimately create a church culture that is “doctrinal duck conscious,” and perhaps overly so! I resonate with that, and I am looking forward to your insights on other approaches.

I am curious about this statement. You noted, “Once they arrive there is nothing left to do- or if there is, it must be described separately from the means by which they were converted. Individuals go to church because they are Christians, but it is not clear why they must.”

I agree with your critique in isolation from Keller’s broader project. However, if the question is posed from with the fuller context of his work (books, preaching, essays, and church practice/approach to liturgy, see Redeemer’s Worship leader manual from the early 00s), then I don’t believe your approach will hold up.

I’m fairly familiar with Keller’s work, and I think the response to your statement would be something along the lines of: The connection between conversion and community (that is gathered worship) is that the conversion is not merely an intellectual one but wholehearted conversion. The way in and the way forward is grace.

As to persuasion, somewhere in the shorter catechism (Q89 maybe?) it notes that the Spirit convicts and convinces sinners of the gospel, and then comforts and builds people up to grow in grace. Keller held this in relation to the role of persuasion in preaching/apologetics.

So if I am understanding your project correctly, then my “push back” or invitation to conversation (as I tell my students) is that I don’t love reading works in isolation of the corpus, but I think your exploration could succeed if it frames Keller within his broader project by finding a way to acknowledge the way church practice / liturgy at Redeemer in some ways ran counter to the framework you’ve described within Reason for God.

I hope that makes sense! Looking forward to continuing the conversation!

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