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Katelyn Beaty's avatar

Hi Kirsten, thanks for engaging my recent series on the evangelical bro code.

First, a quick housekeeping note: Is there a way to show that the numerated points that describe the bro code are a direct quote from my Substack? You note that you're quoting from me, but without a block quote or quotation marks, it's not clear to the reader that the list is a direct quote.

Second, yes, of course, I agree there are plenty of reasons why a particular woman might find her experience inside an evangelical institution unpleasant besides misogyny, including the ones you note. Maybe she's not a good employee and so gets bad reviews. Maybe the work is just not suited to her skillset, or she has a bad boss (not a bad male boss per se), or maybe she's a pill! None of this need be gendered, and it's possible that some of the 170+ women I surveyed ended up attributing to sexism what could be more clearly (though more personally painfully) attributed to themselves. That said, the women I most immediately know who would say they experienced are pretty darn smart, accomplished, loyal to the institution, with good performance reviews. At some point, we're wise to look to some other explanation for their bad experience. Evangelical gender codes seem to me a reasonable place to start.

Third, and finally, I think my series has been summarized a bit sloppily: "Beaty’s concern- women are being oppressed, let’s take down the evangelical bro-code" -- not least because I never once use the word "oppressed" in the 7 essays that make up the series, but also because I explicitly state in the final article of the series that I don't have any ideas for *how* to "take down" the evangelical bro code. "Oppressed" and "take down" are phrases that belie this series has been categorized as a kind of Jesus-y feminist screed, and while I gladly affiliate with the Christian feminist movement, I think these phrases present my concern shallowly to your readers.

Thanks again for engaging the series.

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Karen Swallow Prior's avatar

I don't think I disagree with anything here, and strongly agree with and resonate with much. I think the deference and gender-bonus (which are real) are simply the other side of the "bro code." Deference/affirmative action is the flip side of misogyny, so to speak. It's all part of the culture. I lived in it for decades and was able to thrive while challenging it, I think. Until I suddenly couldn't.

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